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minimusRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!


I've got a question....How exactly does one get recognized so as to be eligible for the GB?
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blondieRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!
I would think that it is much the same way a man tries to become an elder; kiss the right butts.
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minimusRe: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!
But how does someone get the recognition so that a GB member says, "we should keep our eye on this guy if someone suddenly needs to go to heaven"?
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Tom CabeenRe: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate book
NHKnorr's nickname before he became President after Rutherford's death was "Brownie". Can you guess why?
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minimusRe: Re: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate book
Was it because he ate brownies?
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Tom CabeenRe: Re: Re: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apost
Blondie was much closer... ;-)
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minimusRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

Because he wanted to be an elder?

I always thought of Knorr as the homophobic BOSS (under Freddy's direction).

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Seeker4Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!
I knew several of the "old" anointed, and even more of the new anointed.

Voting at the annual meeting was about all the say the old anointed had with anything, and they were pretty much told how to vote at that!

There was one new anointed, Bob Matwijcow, an elder in several congregations in NJ and VT from the 60s on, who I think seriously thought that the GB and WTS were interested in his thoughts on subjects. He'd write the WTS all the time about things. Very smart guy, but I don't think the crew at Bethel gave him much attention.

How funny that someone still thinks that all the "new light" is approved by the 8500 or so who claim to be anointed!! As Tom brought out, the anointed have little to do with anything like that. The handful in the GB, and that's about it.

The WTS F&DS teaching is a theory only, and has never been put into practice. A WTS fantasy.

S4
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james_woodsRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

On the annointed and the voting shares in the Society Corporations of old...the letter I saw specifically instructed the "old annointed" persons to sign the enclosed proxy and mail it in by a certain date no matter what - even if they were going to attend the meeting in person!  They were also under strict instructions to will their shares back to the society itself so that no relative could get their hands on them in the event of their death.

The only record they had of "the annointed" in this sense was if they were a stockholder.

Not all the old annointed were stockholders - and I suspect (but cannot prove) that certain non-annointed were eventually made "stockholders" as a kind of honorarium. 

At least that is what Marion Dunlap told me.  He was kind of huffed at the time (and we were both assistant COs back then) that the Society was so bossy to these old sisters with the proxy letter.  We laughed about what good the shares were if you could not sell them, will them to your heirs, or even vote them yourself!  More typical WT control freaking.

I guess this is pretty much all out the window now that they have totally re-orged the corporate structure - IIRC, there were only publicly known the Corporations of Pennsy and that of New York back then - but there probably were other secretive ones as well.

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DogpatchRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

Cab sez,

The other big surprise for we was that hardly any of the people who write the publications believe what is written in them in the way they expect the average WT reader to do. They are nearly all "apostates" in that sense. But they are all willing to publicly toe the party line to avoid the kind of unpleasantness that honesty begets in a place like that.

Yeah bro, they take the Sesame Street glasses off and put on the ol' BA. Life is nice and cynical then!  :-))

What you do, is you figure out who wrote the article (not always that hard - find their pet peeve in their hidden lingo), jot down WHY they are saying this, intend to believe and do EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE EVEN IF IT KILLS YOU. Then you will no longer ne a new boy!

Randy

Eat this crap!

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DogpatchRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

more on those dreaded "NEW BOYS"

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DogpatchRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

geeks!

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DogpatchRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

trends

by the way, these are the work of Mark Quakenbush, nephew of Colon Quakenbush, one-time Awake! editor, that CAB referred to.  :-))

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BluebladesRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

Thanks to all of you for this "eye-opener". We lived close to the world headquarters and went to the Kingdom Hall at Bethel for a while back in the early seventies. So, we got to meet many of the Governing Body members. Franz, Knorr, Kline ,Sidlik, etc. We were invited to the room for drinks and had shared some meals. We were newly baptized, me 1970, my wife 1971.

We got the love bombing back then.Then it wore off and we were assigned to a Kingdom Hall in the local territory. Left the society in 2002. Found this site through Randy Watters. Randy and I talked on the phone once back in 2002. He was very helpful to me.

Blueblades

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willylomanRe: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!
The other big surprise for we was that hardly any of the people who write the publications believe what is written in them in the way they expect the average WT reader to

This is pretty much true of most of the "prominent" elders I ever met, and I met quite a few. Those with special privileges 'tho not at Bethel, such as city overseers, convention overseers, and elders who were held in high esteem in their own congo due to excellent teaching/speaking skills or were just well-connected to WTS heavies, almost all had a "rules don't apply to me" attitude.

Rank and file dubs would be shocked to overhear private conversations between elders who could read and understand what the Society wrote and said, and were able to think for themselves. But that was in private. Publicly, they protected their positions.

Watchtower leadership is often comprised of two camps: the cerebral boys, who do most of the writing and talking, and the mindless company men who do what they are told. Each group looks down on the other.

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wschroederRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!
Who of you remembers Wednesday evenings and the "Get Naked with Freddy In The Sauna" parade?

Warren
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MaryRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

Thanks Tom.....that pretty much answered my question.

Here's a picture of Leo Greenlees when he married my parents.....my dad always complained that Leo tried pinching his bum on the way back down the isle. 

MOMDAD.jpg picture by sam3217

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Tom CabeenRe: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate book
Hi Mary,

Leo and I were in the same Hall when I was first a PO in the early 1970s (he was in the Greenpoint cong, I was in Greenpoint Spanish), then later were in the same congregation (Newark French). He was always pretty quiet, and pretty funny in the rather light conversations in which we shared on the long rides from Brooklyn to Newark. I was surprised to hear later that he had to leave the GB and move south (was it New Orleans?), but that was long after I was df'd. Was that in Toronto that your parents were married by Leo? He looks so young, but I recognize the face.

Tom
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Tom CabeenRe: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate book
Hey Warren,

Glad to be in touch again!

Shortly after I came to Bethel, around 1968, I was invited to go down to the sauna on a Wednesday night once with Freddy and Nathir Saleeh (who seemed to always be around him), and a couple of other new boys. I remember Freddy pulling on the big chain connected to the steam valve to let in lots of steam, and saying "Ooooh, hoooh, ooooh, hoooh" over and over again. The place smelled of musty wood and dampness and the whole experience was a little too weird for an Arizona farm boy. Once was enough for me. I never joined them again.

Boy, there is something I hadn't thought about in nearly forty years!

Tom
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Tom CabeenRe: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate book
Hey Warren,

Just a note about Nestor. His wife's name is Toni and their last name is spelled Kuilan. They are both living in Puerto Rico. I have been in touch with them in the past few months. Send me a PM if you want their email address.

Tom
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