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compound complexRe: Re: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!


 

Air-conditioning was only in the factory barber shop, as I recall. Can't cut sweaty hair. Barber was a Brother Julian. He wore flared trousers and got stares.

Brother Greenlees taught me that "the sole survivors" is "les ultimes survivants," in French.

Brother Heidi (sp.?) scolded me for using a defective pink songbook (isn't pink, of itself, a defect?) to prop up a wobbly metal antique of a stitcher/whatever/contraption.

An older, non-Bethelite brother - a former merchant marine, so I was told - was hit and killed by an automobile after we left a Gilead Production in Jersey City. Is that correct, J.C.?

I accompanied Karl Klein and M.K. to different congos where he'd give a talk on music and play the cello to my piano accompaniment. So, I accompanied him there and on the piano. That's a zeugma, for your grammatical edification. And here you thought we were talking about nut jobs.

The above could be useful some day in some circumstance in some hell hole ...

CoCo

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compound complexRe: Re: Re: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!


Tootsie (ironically, Dorothy in the movie) and Mr. Goodcheer were seated at my table. I remember her being very sweet and "top of the morning to you" C.L. being the cheeriest man at Bethel.

He made me look like Grumpy by comparison.


Starting a new study group in Manhattan, a few brothers and I picked up sound equipment from a local's apartment and wheeled it in a baby carriage to a community center. There we set up a ministry school/service meeting one evening a week. Lots of work till we got a hall that we shared with 3 other congos.

We had all 4 meetings on the weekend (excepting B.S.). Still lots of work. We were gone on congregation duties (the "foreign service," don't you know) from work dismissal Saturday noon till midnight, then back to the field, shepherding and Sunday meetings from about 7:30 a.m. till 10:00 p.m.

Beer helped.

CoCo

CoCo

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jambon1Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!
Bookmarked for later. Thanks
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Tom CabeenRe: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate book
Hi Randy,

Here are a couple of 34 Orange stories. For a year or two, my wife Gloria was the housekeeper at 34 Orange. The first floor apartment had a well-stocked kitchen, a TV and air-conditioning. George Couch, Max Larsen, Lowell Dixon and others would bring their friends there and entertain them well. On Monday mornings, Gloria would empty the waste baskets, and there would be lobster shells on shrimp shells and lots of empty liquor and champaign bottles. It was something to notice since we were actually living on Bethel food and $20 each per month for "extras" like underwear, and since my parents were in the Circuit work and hers were retired, we got no money from home. One time, when her parents planned to come for a visit, she asked if they could stay there. The office told her some cock and bull story about needing to leave it open in case some "important" guests came in at the last minute, so they refused her request. Of course, no one used the place while her parents were visiting, but the office didn't want "just anybody" to stay there.

Shortly thereafter, one day Gloria said to me "After work, don't come home. Come to 34 Orange, first floor." It was summer and stiflingly hot. I came down the alley and into the back door. When I got there, she had bought steaks from our meager allowance and had made chocolate chip cookie dough. Gloria made cookies, oven going and air conditioner blasting. it was marvelous, and was made even more so by the fact that it was totally illicit. We closed all the blinds up tight, had a wonderful meal, watched TV, and spent a cool, comfortable evening there. It was truly one of the high points of my 12 years at Bethel.

Later, two of my good friends (who shall remain nameless for their own protection, as they are both still JWs) lived at 34 Orange on the second floor for awhile, and we had many a great party in that room. One time they decided to make wine in their room. The Bethel Office got wind of it and told them that they couldn't do that. One of them got very angry at them, especially because he was working on the first Harris offset press with ultra-heavy ink coverage on the original version of the "Bible Stories" book before we bought the afterburners. The press was belching out lots of smoke, which was illegal, and the EPA was trying to catch us, so we were running the press at night so the Society wouldn't get caught polluting and have to pay a big fine. One weekend this same guy had had a few beers, and he started thinking about it, he got so worked up, he peed out the window onto the air conditioner down below. As it happened, some important guests happened to be staying there at the time, and I got called before the Factory Committee over the incident. It took some fast talking to keep the guys from getting kicked out, as I recall. After the FC relented and let the guys involved stay at Bethel, they got together and bought me my first bottle of Wild Turkey. I still drink the stuff.

Tom
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slimboyfatRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

Great thread, and what "grand reunion".

It seems being a JW at bethel is a whole different story to being a JW most any place else.

Thanks for the glimpse into a different world.  

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darth frostyRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!
 The press was belching out lots of smoke, which was illegal, and the EPA was trying to catch us, so we were running the press at night so the Society wouldn't get caught polluting and have to pay a big fine.

Love it Tom.  When I was there they had us give tours to make it seem that the bethel factory had no emissions and was revolutionary in there efforts to be environmentally friendly.

Another nugget who had the priviledge of working in tha baler room?  This was a special duty only assigned to brother's who weighed over 200lbs.  The key was working in the baler room, making paper bales of used paper and signatures, you lost a lot of weight due to the nature of the work.  So thats where they liked to stick the lard butt's...like me.  So I go down to the baler room and everyone is telling me how I will loss weight.  I left with the distinct honor of being the only person sent to work in the baler room who gained weight.

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Tom CabeenRe: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate book
Hi Warren,

The Wood-Hoe was a loser from the beginning. It was badly manufactured, and the potential for quality was dismal, almost nonexistent. I felt bad about assigning Randy to try to get it producing, but he was the man best qualified for the job. From every perspective, that press, although it could be made operational, could never be cost effective. I often wondered if I was the only one who ever thought about things like that. No one I spoke to on the Factory Committee or Governing Body thought in terms of quality and cost-effectiveness.

Regarding whether or not I was there for the MAN "2 to 1" conversions, I had strongly recommended against it in a study I did when I was overseer there. I had to do all my own work and calculations (without a computer, with a pencil and adding machine only) but I learned an enormous amount from doing those studies, and what I learned helped me quite a bit when I had to work in the real world where if you don't make money, you can't just put an article in Kingdom Ministry and get money pouring in the door; you just go out of business.

The longer MAN cutoff length (the amount of paper used for one magazine) compared with the American Harris presses meant enough extra paper waste for each magazine that over the life of the machine it would make financial breakeven impossible, especially when one added the conversion cost. The more they used it the more costly it got. So I recommended that they ditch the MAN presses and buy new Harris presses (That was the $8 million plan which Randy made into one of his famous cartoons posted somewhere here on this thread). The Factory Committee didn't implement their conversion plan until after I was gone.

After I left Bethel, the Society decided to sell the Wood-Hoe press. They used a used equipment broker in California, a guy I knew named Reggie Dewar (also a good friend of Dan Sydlik's, and coincidentally the one who brought Randy Watters "into the truth"). Reggie used to call me up after Randy left the organization, all upset because he left. I told him that Watters was a good man (what was I thinking!?!) and that Christian living was more important to me than doctrine. I said that if Russell had been around now, he would have been disfellowshipped. Russell, I told Reg, believed in two heavenly classes.

Now for a little aside: As it turned out, Reggie's contact at Bethel was Ralph Lindem, the Society's purchasing agent. Ralph knew me well, and in fact he was one of the four of us who Randy mentioned in another post who made a trip together, when I first presented some of the ideas I had been discussing about law versus undeserved kindness, and which started Randy on the road out of Bethel. He remembers us on the way to DC, but I remember us on the way to a trade show in Boston. (The fourth guy was Werner Bohn, the Overseer of Photoplate. He was rather new at Bethel at the time.) Now back to the Reggie Dewar story.

After I had helped Reggie in his efforts to sell the Wood-Hoe in some long conversations with a buyer in Australia, Reggie confessed to me that he had gotten me into some trouble in a conversation he had with Ralph. Ralph had been on the judicial committee that disfellowshipped Ed Dunlap, and he could be like a bulldog when he wanted to know something. Reggie told me that Ralph kept asking questions until he got Reggie confused, and he ended up telling Ralph that I believed in two heavenly classes, which I am pretty sure started the ball rolling which ultimately led to my being disfellowshipped. I told Reggie that what I had said was that Russell believed that, not me! He said "Yes, I know, but Ralph just kept asking questions until he got the answer he wanted. I'm so sorry." A year or so later, that conversation was brought up to me just prior to when I was disfellowshipped, so I know that somehow it got back to my local committee.

Tom
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TheListenerRe: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

I remember the the bridge day and the knife in the desk speech.

I absolutely loved getting an early dismissal from work.  Whether it was Gildead graduation day or the memorial.

The only way to escape the bethel police was to tip your housekeeper regularly.

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Tom CabeenRe: Re: Re: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apost
CoCo,

"Zeugma" What a great word! From the Greek "to yoke".

Thanks!
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james_woodsRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

I have a simple question  - this <Orange> luxury brownstone - would it possibly have been also where Ed and Betty Dunlap had their apartment?  This would be just after the Squibb Pharma buildings were first purchased and the renovation was taking place. 

When they had me and the Murray sisters over one night I was amazed at the relative luxury compared to the horrors of ordinary Bethel life...later, Ed made sure that Helen and Lucille got to stay in an unnocupied similar apartment next door, but as I was a sort of unimportant junior escourt for the ladies I was left in the horrible seedy hotel up the street.

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Tom CabeenRe: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate book
Hey JW,

The only two brownstones the WTS had when I was there, to my knowledge, was 34 Orange and 86 Willow, (where Doc Dixon lived on one floor and some guys lived on another floor). I was in 86 Willow, but never got invited to Dixons' floor. I would not call these homes "luxury" from my current perspective, but nicer in important ways than a standard Bethel room, which was more like a cheap but clean hotel room, (like a Motel 6 in Indiana, for example). These brownstones had a real kitchen, not just a sink, and some even had window air conditioners (but no central air). They also had nice finished wood trim, hardwood floors, and the like. Standard Bethel rooms had metal door frames and metal casement windows. No frills, if you get the idea.


Ed and Betty lived at 119 Columbia Heights, in a nice room there. We visited Ed and Betty in their room, but it was not like a regular apartment, (no kitchen) just a nice room with a private bath. Not much character (read no hardwood), but new and clean.

Tom
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james_woodsRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

Hi Tom - and thanks.  It has been many years now, but the apartment where we visited with Ed & Betty was on the first floor of a brownstone for sure.  It must have been around 1972 or 1973.  It had one bedroom, kind of set apart from the living area but in the same general space, and a little kitchen not unlike what you would find in a "Homewood Suites" hotel nowadays...like I say - pure luxury compared to what I saw of the living quarters of my young guy friends who were doing time at Bethel.

BTW - I had completely forgotten about Doctor Dixon - I knew him too, and actually went to him for medical purposes after he had moved back to Oklahoma City.  Nice guy - I always wondered what such an educated man could have possibly thought of the whole Watchtower experience.

For some reason, neither Ed nor his brother Marion ever mentioned Dr. Dixon again - maybe we were all just pre-occupied with the big tragedy of the Franz rebellion.

BTW2 - you did know, I guess, that at the latest word Betty is living in an assisted facility in Edmond Okla.?  She has pretty much fallen to something like Altzeihemrs, much like my mom.  Ed of course passed away years ago of a sudden heart attack, and Marion finally died from just extreme old age about two years ago.

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shadowRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!
I was in Dixon's apartment for my newboy tour with housekeeping. All I remember is the impression that it was quite lavish. The carpet was thick and housekeeper had to rake it while backing out the door. Nothing like the 4 man room I shared in Towers. We had no AC and yes it did get hot! Anybody here that was in construction instead of a factory zombie?
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wschroederRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!
Tom wrote: The press was belching out lots of smoke, which was illegal, and the EPA was trying to catch us, so we were running the press at night so the Society wouldn't get caught polluting and have to pay a big fine.

I got involved in a meeting not long after the dryers were installed on the Harris presses. The gas fumes were polluting and it was my understanding (no verification of this folks) that they were caught by the EPA. We received these large drawings of catalytic converters. You can guess what was the new priority project for the department.
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DogpatchRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

thanks CC, you are da man!

SALTPETER

I totally forgot that one! They used to give it to Bethelites, or they took it themselves, or some dumb thing.

Randy

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VM44Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

Leolaia wrote this about 34 Oranage Street:

34 Orange Street was the address where Watchtower osteopath Mae J. Work and Dr. Linus Work lived in the twenties and thirties. She was on staff at Bethel and used the Abrams ERA machine to diagnose and treat health problems. It was her practice that Roy Goodrich condemned as "spiritism", and she defended her use of the "ouija-board"-like machine in the pages of the Golden Age (30 April 1930, p. 483). She also published another article in 1931 on how the ERA machine cures cancer caused by aluminum.

So the Society had owned this property for quite a while before they decided to sell it last year (2007).

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DogpatchRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

Cab sez,

Reggie used to call me up after Randy left the organization, all upset because he left. I told him that Watters was a good man (what was I thinking!?!) and that Christian living was more important to me than doctrine.

Yeah, I used to date his daughter or niece, forgot which. He had high hopes for me. Old school anointed, but I had lots of those as friends. I used to pioneer with Guido Fulgenti in San Luis Obispo, who served at Bethel under Rutherford, and he used to tel me stories!  Guido was convinced the end was coming in 1974, not 1975 (A Franz glitch?) Anyone else have an old-timer friend who was cueing in on '74? Not uncommon. Dating nonsense.

I forgot that Reggie ratted on you. How lame. As lame as Fred Fredean was, being the resident "bad attitude" (BA) and enjoying that status, unitl the Franz Incident, then acted the opposite. Kinda like Swingle.

 I hope Fred woke up, at one time he was a fun guy.  The guys that turned rat bastard fink really annoy me.

Randy

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DogpatchRe: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

one thing to Reggie's credit, he did get me a job at Anderson Lithograph in L.A. that helped me make enough money to quit working for a year and start writing. Thank you Reggie!  :-))

Randy

 

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Tom CabeenRe: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate book
Speaking of saltpeter and sexual hyperactivity, Randy, some quick research suggests that the whole "saltpeter causes impotence" thing is a myth. It is apparently not uncommon to hear the saltpeter rumor in the armed forces. One of the proven uses of potassium nitrate is that it is an necessary component in gunpowder. Maybe somebody at Bethel just reassigned the meaning of "discharge", from firearms to Bethelites. (Is that a zeugma?) Tom
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compound complexRe: Re: Warren Schroeder from Bethel on Freddy, Kline and the apostate books!

The old ranchhand discharged his duty and rifle while attending to the cattle rustlers.

Handy with a sharp knife and tongue, Chef Maxim minced his garlic but never his words.

Zeugma (from the Greek word "?e??µa", meaning "yoke") is a figure of speech describing the joining of two or more parts of a sentence with a single common verb or noun. A zeugma employs both ellipsis, the omission of words which are easily understood, and parallelism, the balance of several words or phrases. The result is a series of similar phrases joined or yoked together by a common and implied noun or verb. In a modern sense, the zeugma has been classified as a synonym for syllepsis, a particular kind of zeugma, although there is a clear distinction between the two in classical treatises written on the subject. Henry Peacham praises the “delight of the ear” in the use of the zeugma in rhetoric, but stresses to avoid “too many clauses.” The zeugma is categorized according to the location and part of speech of the governing word.

CoCo

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